Filled Tire With Air and Is Flat Again

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I only wanted to share my experience with having nitrogen on tires. I was skeptical with the benefits of having information technology but had it installed on my tires anyhow.

And then one day I drove to piece of work early in the morn and heard this sound I never heard before. Its a thudding sound that it makes when my car is running. I stopped and looked for any signs of anything that might be stuck betwixt the tires and the motorcar thinking that a modest branch or stick might be stuck somewhere. I didnt observe any so I kept on driving to piece of work and never thought of it again. I still heard it on my mode home from work. So the car was just park for 8 hrs at my work identify. The post-obit twenty-four hour period I had an engagement with my Toyota dealer for a service, I saw the TPMS signal turned on and so I stopped and checked any flat tire, lo and behold my right rear tire is having low air merely is nonetheless drivable so I went home and checked what caused it and I saw a screw stucked in the middle of the tire. I was tardily in my appointment since I had to change it with a spare. My dealer was good enough to fix the tire for free. Well to sum it up all I wouldnt recollect that it would have that long for the tpms to get the signal that my tire was flat if I havent had a nitrogen on my tires..
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TPMS works on Pressure, non blazon of gas. Air is 78% Nitrogen anyway. You had a spiral in your tire, information technology went apartment. The dealer fixed information technology for gratuitous, which by the way was very nice of them, thumbs up for that! Nitrogen in your tire neither helped nor made worse the screw in the tire thing.
Unless you are a Airbus A380 or other flight variants, that is when Nitrogen in tires matters, in a car, not so much.!
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its a sales gimmick, out here only Belle Tire uses Nitrogen, not Discount Tire, Goodyear or anyone else.
For a few bucks you tin can pick upwards a Tire Repair Kit by Slime or whomever, y'all as well need to have needle nose pliers, and a razor blade and if the kit doesn't accept it y'all should have rubber cement, purchase the kit that has all this is a hard plastic case that can go in the glove box.
elevator the motorcar, find the nail, pull it out with pliers, enlargen hole with plunger tool, put the licorice into the insertion tool with rubber cement applied, punch it in, pull out and the licorice volition stay in place, cut off the backlog sticking out with the razor blade, lower the car and you lot are on your way. A foot pump is very light and handy to go on in the trunk just nigh of them are congenital very poorly, you can also carry a portable 12V air compressor effectually instead to reinflate a flat tire.
Sorry, only I just don't see how you came to that conclusion. I know people that accept had screws in their (air filled) tires for weeks before the deflation was especially noticeable.
When a nail or screw punctures a tire similar that it tends to cocky seal the leak. How well it seals volition depend on the exact size/shape/status of the spiral, how and where information technology penetrates and I'k certain a good element of dumb luck also. There'southward no way that you can chalk this upwards to the nitrogen.
Unfortunately those repair are not legal this side of the swimming. The but legal repair means taking the tyre off and patching the inside with ether a flat patch or a mushroom patch.
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That's a shame because they really do piece of work well and concord for years and years, service stations likewise use the licorice method of repairing a pigsty, they charge $8-$10, I purchase the kit for less than that and I tin repair multiple tires, I tin and so purchase the licorice and rubber cement separately when I run out.
I call up this is nothing more than an example of European governments making silly laws to brand certain someone still has a job repairing holes in tires. Even i of our states, Oregon if I remember, makes it illegal to pump your own gas, to ensure chore security for gas pumpers.

I know someone who used to buy Levi's on the cheap hither and fill up a suitcase with them and sell them in French republic at a huge markup, it damn about paid for her trips, I'll have her fill up a suitcase with those tire repair kits to sell on the European blackness markets
Although that may be adequate as an emergency tire repair method, this is not an approved permanent tire repair by tire manufacturers. The trouble with applying a plug from the exterior without bothering to inspect the within is that you don't know what harm was caused to the interior of the tire and the plug may let water to seep in, corroding the tire's steel belts or the inner casing. That would potentially event in tire failure in a high speed or other stressful situation.
I personally have a problem with "Slime" as a brand name for anything likewise a child's toy, but that'due south merely me...

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yes I know inserting a plug and driving off is not smart, that's why I as well use the aforementioned condom cement designed for inner patches. I then give the safe cement some time to cure for an air (& water) tight seal, than fill up the tire with air, I check the air the next day, the mean solar day subsequently that, a week later, and so a calendar month afterwards, if its holds that long w/o losing air than I'm satisfied.
new tires take a lot of tread and most nails don't seem to penetrate them in my experience, all my nails have come from older tires with less tread on them, so a repair designed to concluding a few years every bit opposed to a decade is just fine with me. I enjoy doing DIY repairs and detect nada wrong with my method, nevertheless if someone wants to pay to have their tire removed, patched, installed, counterbalanced & mounted that is also only fine with me also, there is nothing incorrect with paying a little $$ for added peace of mind.

I appreciate the tirerack article and enjoy living in a country that allows me the freedom to pay for a professional repair or do my ain repair myself. Peradventure someday they will make a mini umbrella way patch that can exist inserted from the outside and it opens upward to create both a patch & plug at the same time.
"Nitrogen fill" for tyres does one thing and one thing only, it -reduces- the amount of water vapour in the tyre. Then only when they get information technology in bottles. There are now "nitrogen enhanced" air pumps becoming available. If they are just every bit lax with water vapour capture in them every bit with "normal" air pumps they volition do nothing.
Please, think a little virtually it! Y'all have a tyre, let the air out, and refill with nitrogen. Await, you didn't utilise a vacuum pump to get all the air out! So in that location's still some oxygen in that tyre! And some water vapour (probably lots, considering much of it will condense when yous let the air out as the pressure falls and the temperature drops).

Skillful luck getting just nitrogen in the tyre! Good luck removing all the water vapour!

It'southward a dainty gimmick to excerpt money from your wallet though!
Oh, and yup, there will be lots of "anecdotal evidence" "running nitrogen" in your tyres did all sorts of things.
Yet another use of pseudo-science to "prove" whatever!
At the temperatures and pressures found in automobile tires, nitrogen behaves as an ideal gas, just like air. Your tire would have gone flat at exactly the same rate if information technology had been filled with air.
This whole discussion causes me serious concern for the state of science pedagogy in our country.

Tom
Perchance Nitrogen fill proponents should exist mandated to draw it equally "oxygen free" fill. Equally mentioned above, regular air is 4/v nitrogen already. The other fifth is mostly oxygen.
Another ploy, in Canada: our automotive ads merely honey describing fuel economy in majestic miles per gallon. Nothing'southward been sold up hither in gallons, imperial or U.s.a., since maybe the mid-seventies, but with an royal gallon being rougly 5/four of a The states gallon...
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Y'all would need to realize the procedure that is used to replace the regular air/water vapor with nitrogen.
They attach a hose to each tire, then inflate and deflate the tires several times, each fourth dimension filling them upwards with nitrogen. So for example the first fourth dimension you deflate the tire downwardly to x% of the orginal volume and then fill with nitrogen you lot would of form take 10% air/water vapor and 90% nitrogen.
The next several times you repeat this procedure would take the percentage of the original air/water vapor downward to 1% then .1% and on the fourth time you lot cycle the nitrogen you would have 1/100 or .01% of the total book of gases beingness the original air/h2o vapor and 99.99% nitrogen. Of grade since regular air has quite a scrap of nitrogen in it, the percentage of nitrogen would be quite a bit higher. And a lot less water vapor.

As far equally the debate of whether this helps or not, they don't say always bank check your tires with regular air in them cold for naught! And hot air balloons do not have a tremedous temperature difference for the air inside the balloon to expand and thereby become lighter. I myself tend to similar having my tire pressure level stay the same in the summertime or wintertime!
Every bit stated, unless you are driving a A380 Airbus or other Air Vehicle, information technology's non worth the time or effort. The only manner I would exercise this is if someone would drop off a FREE 60lb tank of Northward ii and pressure regulator, and supplied a refill tank for life for complimentary! 78% N 2 is fine for a Prius!
Hither in Ohio I had to search to observe a tire shop that would "plug" a tire (what you call the "licorice method", as opposed to patching them). Most of them won't exercise it because information technology creates a dangerously unstable tire.
In my case, I wasn't too worried nearly the tire's safety: it was for my backyard tractor.
How do you do this without rupturing the bead seal and letting a lot of ambience air flood into the tire?
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Nitrogen gas follows the same laws of pressure as does oxygen, carbon dioxide - or whatever mixture of the above. Google "platonic gas law". So regardless of how much you paid to accept nitrogen pumped into your tires it will even so follow the same laws of physics every bit does every other gas - imagine that! And so your tire pressure level volition change in the wintertime but as it does in the summer - regardless of how much extra that you paid.
I am distressing to land - just as others have said here - that the just advantage that having nitrogen pumped into your tires (for regular automobile drivers) is that the person who sold you lot that gas will go habitation slightly richer this evening.
For Scientific discipline fun, Google "Boyles Constabulary"
Come up on dianeinreno. Not if you believe, if you truly truly believe that they'll keep more than even pressure, and then surely this volition trump the laws of physics.
I think the claim of more consistent (wrt temperature) force per unit area is based on the presumption that a nitrogen make full will take less h2o contagion than the air at the gas station, with the presence of water vapor causing some deviation from ideal gas properties. Certainly for dry air in that location would exist no difference, and with only modest amounts of water vapor in that location would still exist negligible difference. I think you'd need adequately high corporeality of water vapor for this to be noticeable.

BTW. Here'due south a quick tip for anyone that wants to minimize water vapor in their tires. I've noticed a huge difference in the dryness of the air bachelor at different petrol stations here. Then before I add air I always pump a full bast directly at the palm of my hand for at least 5 to x seconds (on some automated pumps you've got to select the "apartment tire" setting to do this). The expanding air cools rapidly and if the air has any significant moisture so you notice your palm gets quite wet. In this case I wont use that service station for air. Over fourth dimension you get to know which places in your local area have the best dry air. Of course this is easier hither considering petrol stations in Australia don't charge to utilize the air.
Geez Tom, Why non but insult them even more than?
Not anybody knows the Scientific backdrop of Nitrogen vs. Oxygen... They trust the sales/service advisers that 'sell' the idea that Nitrogen is resistant to temperature fluctuations, therefore it maintains constant tire pressure level, as opposed to oxygen that expands and contracts with temperature, constantly increasing and decreasing tire pressure equally the tires oestrus upwardly and cool downwards with regular driving, equally well equally tire pressure irresolute along with atmospheric temperature...

In theory Nitrogen is better, some sales people may take it even further and, surprise, surprise! - Lie.. 'ahem 'sell'... by maxim things like the Nitrogen can prevent apartment tires, nitrogen tin can seal pocket-sized punctures... etc...

Why insult people who simply don't know any amend? People routinely trust the service adviser'southward advice. Why not endeavour and inform them and enlighten them then that they understand and can go educated.

Basic backdrop of Nitrogen and Oxygen:

Proper name: Nitrogen
Symbol: N
Atomic Number: seven
Atomic Mass: 14.00674 amu
Melting Point: -209.nine Â°C (63.250008 Yard, -345.81998 Â°F)
Humid Point: -195.8 Â°C (77.35 K, -320.44 Â°F)
Number of Protons/Electrons: seven
Number of Neutrons: 7
Classification: Not-metal
Crystal Structure: Hexagonal
Density @ 293 Thousand: 1.2506 g/cm3
Color: colorless

Name: Oxygen
Symbol: O
Diminutive Number: 8
Diminutive Mass: 15.9994 amu
Melting Indicate: -218.iv Â°C (54.750008 K, -361.12 Â°F)
Boiling Point: -183.0 Â°C (90.15 G, -297.4 Â°F)
Number of Protons/Electrons: eight
Number of Neutrons: eight
Classification: Non-metallic
Crystal Structure: Cubic
Density @ 293 Thou: i.429 grand/cm3
Color: colorless
ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

If you lot're going to run N100 in your tires (as opposed to the N78 blend that I utilize) yous should at least use blackness valve stem caps.
They don't work any amend than the lime greenish ones do, but at least that way people won't curl their eyes and chuckle at your car when they see information technology in a parking lot.
There'south another more serious advantage! If you accept other people swing wrenches on your car---information technology volition embolden them to offer you other advanced, cutting edge services including but not express to:
Air Conditioner Refresh-O-riser,
Engine Flush,
Tornado air intake,
Clamp-on fuel line magnets,
Throttle Body Cleaning in a can (before something like 80K miles---and note that this is sometimes a required maintenance item.)

You get the thought....